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The Red Pill Documentary and Q+A Review

A few months ago a friend of mine spoke of a free documentary screening that was due to take place in Norwich. I’d been fairly interested in the rising MRA (Men’s Rights Activist) movement which was championed by Milo “behind every racist joke is a scientific fact” Yiannopoulos and rape supporter Roosh V.

It always seemed to me like a movement that was a cause for those that didn’t really have anything to complain about; I’d assumed that it was widely accepted that we live in a patriarchal society by even those of a right-wing bias. It had always been one of those things that I’d laugh off as a pointless cause supported by fedora wearing, Monster Energy drinking unemployed men in their late-teens that spent their breaks away from playing Call of Duty reading into Meninist theories on 4 Chan.

Therefore, I presumed that ‘The Red Pill’ was a gonzo-style documentary made by a feminist filmmaker in order to expose these worms coming out of the woodwork and that my friends and I would go to the screening to have a good laugh at some pseudo-academic MRAs. In retrospect, this was an ignorant and ill-considered presumption that I turned out to be incredibly wrong about.

The screening was put on as a free event by a local man, Barry Wright, and paid for out of his own pocket. A duo of venue cancellations, apparently due to long-standing clients threatening to withdraw support, meant that we met up to be taken to a secret location and shown the film.

Appropriately, the location in question was the smallest screen of the decrepit Hollywood Cinema. At the entrance to the screen stood Mike Buchanan, the leader of the Justice For Men & Boys party, who is apparently the only anti-feminist party in the English-speaking world. Buchanan reminded me of a somewhat diluted Nigel Farage, standing in a barely tucked in shirt and unshaven face, looking to shake hands with everyone that entered the cinema.

Once we were led into the screen there was a table laid out for the Q+A that was due to follow the screening, on this table was a Justice For Men & Boys banner and sat around were some guests that were due to speak after the film. I’d expected at this point that the Q+A would feature unproven facts and meek discussion, how wrong I was to assume this.

Initially expecting a strong feminist presence, I was particularly surprised by the demographic in the audience, as although there were 10-12 people in their early-twenties, the vast majority of the crowd was made up by unaccompanied middle-aged men. I was then told that the reason for the prior cancellations was due to a strong feminist opposition in Norwich who had looked to stop the film being screened.

The documentary lasted for just over two hours and to give the film a short review it would be boring, pointless and confused. The film consisted of the audience being given a tour ‘down the rabbit hole’ and into the abyss that was the Men’s Rights movement. The filmmaker Cassie Jaye posed as a feminist at the beginning of the film, citing a failed career in Hollywood as the experience of sexism that led her to question the power of gender in society.

"The film consisted of the audience being given a tour ‘down the rabbit hole’ and into the abyss that was the Men’s Rights movement."

Whilst we were given short clips of anti-MRA campaigners and academics that presented well-reasoned arguments, the majority of the screen time that was given to the opposition was given to radical feminists such as well-known meme and Feminist Boogeywoman Big Red in an attempt to demonise feminists as neurotic and illogical.

In fact, academics in the film such as Dr Michael Kimmel mysteriously had little-to-no screen time when they came close to refuting any arguments presented by the film. What we were left with was anecdotal evidence of freak displays of paternity rights injustices and a bizarre display of a male circumcision gone wrong.

It occurred to me that the film simply presented bad things that happen in life to men and that this in no way had any relevance to the feminism that the film clearly opposed. Everybody suffers some kind of suffrage, but the film made no attempt to look at political history or power structures that exist within the patriarchy.

Any attempt to argue against feminism was simply irrelevant, such as the figures of percentages of male deaths against female deaths in wars in which only males could fight. A simply ridiculous argument was presented by Paul Elam, the most heavily featured cast member who leads the A Voice for Men party, when he stated that men are seen as finance objects, alike the way in which a feminist argument would claim that women are seen as sex objects within the patriarchal society.

However, the most laughable moment of the documentary had to come from anti-feminist Karen Straughan, who labelled Boko Haram ‘chivalrous’ in releasing the kidnapped Chibok schoolgirls when attempting to claim that the media presented terrorism in Africa through a misandrist lens.

The MRAs and anti-feminists in the film all seemed to be privileged people who refused to accept that they were in a position that they were incredibly lucky to be in. To me this seems to stem from an inadequacy and low self-esteem that then manifests itself in hatred; these men were clearly those that weren’t particularly charismatic or those that had been through an experience that they remained bitter about.

After a few hours of struggling through the film, the Q+A then begun. The panel members on the MRA sympathising side were Cassie Jaye, Mike Buchanan, Erin Pizzey, Paul Elam and apparent Youtuber DrRandomerCam. Those on the other side of the fence were Lucinda Bray, Katy Jon Went and Jessica Austin.

"Whilst the Q+A session started off in a polite manner ... this then led to a barrage of aggressive questioning of the female members of the panel."

Whilst the Q+A session started off in a polite manner, discussing the film and the genuine problems that men in society go through, this then led to a barrage of aggressive questioning of the female members of the panel. Pot-bellied men in their middle fifties armed with print offs of figures and argument points began to question whether Lucinda Bray, Jessica Austin and Katy Jon Went were feminists who believed in the patriarchy as if it were a questioning looking for terror cells in Guantanamo bay.

Throughout the well-reasoned responses from Jessica Austin, Mike Buchanan attempted his best Grima Wormtongue impression by muttering sarcastic comments and “feminists” in a mocking tone as if he’d been sat on the dunce seat in the corner of the classroom for the past 40 years.

However, the most shocking moment of the evening came when Paul Elam was questioned a second time by an audience member on his comments some years before that attempted to justify rape after attempting to avoid the question earlier.

This quote from Elam is utterly disgusting and horrific. At the screening, Elam accepted that this was something that he has said. Whilst this quote is readily available via a quick Google search, I cannot be sure of if this quote is to the word and I am therefore not prepared to post it in the article.

Elam responded with a sheepish response that this was simply satire from years ago. I suppose this is the way that one could pathetically attempt to justify a racist joke, or effectively anything. I punched your mum in the face, but don’t worry, it was satire!

This then led to a comment from Erin Pizzey that stated that 50 Shades of Grey being a bestseller was proof alone that women desired to be raped. Those of a disposition of empathy to rape victims in the audience then began to take issue with this and the pot-bellied misogynists in the crowd then began to really show their deep-seated hatred.

The questions from the some of the audience then became increasingly aggressive. One particular crowd member (who I hilariously saw get dumped shortly after the screening) bitterly accused Lucinda Bray of patronising him after she gave an excellent refutation of a point in his bile-filled question.

This really summed up the MRA supporters at the screening. These men had in the majority arrived alone, presumably after a shift at an unfulfilling job to attend a screening that supported a pathetic meaning that they seemed to have conveniently stumbled across in their lacklustre lives.

These white, middle-class males have evidently failed to find meaning and pride in their lives of which they are told are privileged and therefore reject all reason that supports the idea that they are of a privileged position.

What do you do when you’ve failed to build success upon a lucky groundwork? You reject that the groundwork was lucky in the first place, the tradesman really does blame his tools as opposed to looking in on what is a fundamentally incomplete and fruitless self.

As much as this theory does paint the MRA movement as sad and pointless, there is a real hatred present in this movement that I did not know existed outside of the confines of a subreddit or the crevice of the internet.

Whilst these opinions are disgusting and have no place in modern society, it is important to address and refute these beliefs as to make sure that this doesn’t grow under the terrain.

Being of the left-thinking side of things, I never presumed that xenophobia was present enough for many of us to vote to leave Europe on the policy of immigration. We could go on for hours about how we live in a politically like-minded echo-chamber on social media and in our friendship groups, but the real point is that hatred and ignorance really do need to be addressed in order for us to thwart them.

I honestly believe that society is not full of hatred and bigotedness, but if this is not addressed by reason and logic then it will simply grow further. Events like the screening of The Red Pill therefore, need to be allowed and attended by those that oppose it. We need to quit with the no-platforming and banish these hate-filled people with refutation and debate.

Will Sowerby.

203 thoughts on “The Red Pill Documentary and Q+A Review

  1. How disgusting! I literally lost count of the presumptions, misrepresentation, projection and NAKED lies in that attempt at an article.

    How dare you lie to people about what happened at the screening!

    I’ll only pick out a couple of lines because it would literally take me all night to correct everything – there is THAT much wrong with it.

    >”These men had in the majority arrived alone,”

    You have no idea if they arrived alone. You are lying! How dare you!

    >”…presumably after a shift at an unfulfilling job to attend a screening that supported a pathetic meaning that they seemed to have conveniently stumbled across in their lacklustre lives.”

    Hatred! Bigotry! Disgusting!

    How dare you!

    You. Are. Not. A. Mind-reader.

    >”These white, middle-class males”

    Oh no! They’re white!

    You have no idea if they’re “middle-class”. Stop it.

    Males?! …No! You don’t get to dehumanise them by calling them “males” rather than men and boys! STOP IT.

    >”…a fundamentally incomplete and fruitless self.”

    How dare you! Disgusting! Revolting!
    Hang your head in shame!

    I will not waste my time on this revolting pile of hate any further.

    To the author:
    You need to speak to a neurologist. You need serious help.

    To anyone else reading this:
    Please. Go and listen to the film maker herself, for yourself. You can, easily and freely, see and hear her being interviewed online.

    Search for videos of her on YouTube.

    Her name is Cassie Jaye.

    …Once you’ve got an idea of who she is, and who she isn’t, maybe you’ll want to watch her documentary.

    UPDATE: The video of the Q&A from the screening in Norwich has been uploaded to YouTube. You can now, with your own eyes and ears, confirm that the author of this “article” is trying to lie to you.
    Find the truth.
    See it for yourself.
    Don’t get screwed.

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  5. The mention of Roosh V was interesting. The documentary proved there is zero attachment to Roosh V or any of his beliefs with the Men’s Rights Movement. I fear that the use of Roosh V to describe MRAs is part of the problem, it’s a preconceived bias without thoroughly researching the reality and its hard to believe that anyone can be objective about something when they will invoke a pre-conceived bias and introduce something (or in this case, someone) into the picture who actually isn’t a part of what is being talked about.

    Ask anyone in the MRM what their thoughts on Roosh V are and it will overwhelmingly translate into them holding a negative perception about Roosh V. Here is where the problem lies. I want to be able to talk about the male to female suicide rates and my real experiences with suicide, I know for a fact that the only reason I haven’t checked myself out is because I have a loving and passionate dedication to ensuring my child is happy and has a desire to be productive, inclusive and have a reasonable and sympathetic understanding towards the rest of us on this planet. So this is a very real issue for me, I can’t remember how many times a medical professional has asked me if I’m having thoughts of suicide due to my history.

    I feel expendable in the quest to trivialise the seriousness of such issues in order to bring feminist arguments to the front of the queue while also attempting to leave MRM arguments out of the queue all together, despite them already being a the very back of the queue.

    I haven’t included qualifiers such as #notallfeminist, or that there are too many truly, evil men with sinister agendas in this world, or the fact that female suicide is also a massive problem that must be dealt with because I’m trying to use this one time to present the other side of the argument. How very unpopular of me.

    I think there will be many feminists who will have their eyes opened, even if it’s only slightly and this shows that feminists do have an attachment to the concept of equal rights and not just women’s rights. This may seem like some sort of concession, it’s not, like this movie, this is simply an observation about reality. The most disturbing observations of reality are the ones which challenge the status quo and this is not a gender specific issue, its a humanity issue.

    This article fails to show the required empathy needed to objectively consider the position. The position being that the MRAs aren’t just a hate movement as demonstrated in many ill-informed feminist articles, but there are issues that men face that should not be ignored. This article strives to ensure the conversation remains around the hate side of the argument, I’m happy to address the hateful side, but not at the expense of talking about the issues raised, such as 4 in 5 people who commit suicide are men. This article attempts to link such a statistic, without directly doing so, to the failures of individual men and that men, despite given a golden ticket, still failed to cash it in and that a man should be seen as pathetic or some other negative connotation for what comes across as being a pathetic failure completely of their own doing. It’s hard to read this article and think there was any reasonable objective analysis done. I have read other articles which also take this similar tone, but it’s only one half of their article, the other half looks at the other side of the story. I have no issues with those articles, I see real journalistic instincts when someone displays both sides of the story instead of attempting to find any and every justification to present or endorse only one side. I, myself, broke down and balled my eyes out at the western medical procedure of male circumcision. Anyone who watched this movie and this part of the movie specifically would have a heart of ice to not feel some sort of emotional sympathy for what some male babies are subjected to. This article gives me the impression its trying to trivialise that. Now, for the prejudice out there, when I saw that scene I didn’t stop short at thinking about male circumcision, I also thought about the evil genital mutilation done to young girls because of “cultural reasons”. The conclusion I came to was that all circumcision needs to stop unless it’s a medical emergency, this statement isn’t limited to a gender or race or anything, it is applied to all people. You see how you can understand the realities and then sypathise with those who are

    The Red Pill will not be the catalyst that elevates MRAs to the same platform given to those who advocate women’s rights. Our society will not allow that to happen, however, if it made you stop and think. If the movie gave you information that you had not previously known. If the movie moved you then that is progress of a kind, but do not worry, men’s issue will very quickly go back to where they belong, the very back of the queue, out of sight and out of mind, where the majority of society wants them to be. Just remember, everything bad that happens to a man is the fault of men. No woman can ever be held accountable for invoking bad things to happen to men. This article is the very reason most men don’t express themselves openly, on one hand, we are told to open up, then when some of us do, we are attacked and discredited. I apologise that this movie forced you to consider men’s issue, I know it has taken some time away from women’s issues and doing such a thing is deemed unacceptable within our society, so again, I’m sorry. I’m also sorry that I didn’t restrict my talking points to the hateful aspects of the movement, although this is an issue in itself I believe that men venting their frustrations and venomous anger on the internet is a lower priority than 9 out of 10 work place deaths are men. I already do my part in addressing this anger, I call men out on it all the time so I’m playing my part in this. My entire argument here is based on one simple idea: Can we also play our part in addressing the real serious issues that were raised and are actual reality of the world around us? If that’s an unreasonable thing to ask then feminists aren’t the people I thought they were.

    1. In my haste to post the comment I didn’t edit it properly, my apologies to all, the second to last paragraph trailed off into no where and I wanted to quickly clarify that the final sentence of that paragraph should read “You see how you can understand the realities and the sympathise with those who are affected”.

      I left out the word affected. Whoops, sorry to all.

  6. I found it fascinating that you assume the film maker is actually lying about her original position of being a feminist, and how the making of the movie was a catalyst for change.

    I’ve never considered myself a feminist, nor an MRA, because such “groups” on both sides are more willing to support the more odious of their ilk than they are an honest discussion with the “other side”.

    Since you gloss over most of the actual film content, but chose to pick out the Boko Haram “chivalrous” quote

    You are grossly decontextualizing what Straughan was saying, to the point where the implication is that she is actually praising Boko Haram. She is doing no such thing. She was discussing their earlier atrocities, and her use of “chivalrous” was clearly laced with some irony, given the context.

    For what it’s worth, I had followed news about the Boko Haram well before the infamous schoolgirl kidnappings. At the time of their earlier atrocities, I recall how victims were always “people” or “students” in headlines (the few there were), and in particular the one article that talked about over a hundred dead “including an old woman”, when the vast majority were schoolboys.

    Straughan’s point is that Boko Haram was NOT on the radar of most average people in the West until the schoolgirl kidnapping. At the time I thought “just another horrible atrocity from Boko Haram” (I know, somewhat cynical). Pointing out that it took a couple of hundred kidnapped schoolgirls for the west to notice, after thousands of dead, including schoolboys being burnt alive, is entirely valid.

    Dead boys don’t sell papers (or clicks) in the same way as kidnapped girls. The #BringBackOurGirls twitter movement is a prime example of the very thing feminists hate, the “damsel in distress”. How else are we to frame a concept that is showing (largely) women asking men to rescue little girls, when we ignore the thousands dead non-schoolgirls that came before them?

    The only OTHER reason for the sensationalizing of this particular event over (arguably) worse atrocities is the ulterior motives in a geo-political sense, but that goes beyond the scope of this thread, or, honestly, the film. Once people SEE the manipulation though, and how creating a divided camp (“You’re either 100% with us, or you’re the enemy.”) is a great mechanism to which distract the population.

    As Mark Angelucci points out in the film – “Gender roles are not the result of the Patriarchy. The Patriarchy is a result of gender roles.” This single line sums up so much of the heart of the film.

    Anyone who cares about ALL of humanity would understand the difference.

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